One of the fine gents in my running group, Paul Slovic, was interviewed for the NPR Podcast “Shortwave.” Paul is a psychologist who studies the phenomenon known as “psychic numbing.” Paul is a great guy and one (of many) who welcomed me into the UO Noon Runners a few years ago when I found them. This is worth the listen:

https://www.npr.org/player/embed/959597459/965522178